But even with two incomes, they may barely make ends meet.
KEMANIE: We had been dwelling in a, like, a small, tiny little one-bedroom house with roaches, like principally a bit of small ghetto.
ERIN: Then their son was born. His spouse stopped working to maintain him. And their funds received even tighter.
KEMANIE: And issues was arduous, however we began falling behind on hire.
ERIN: How far behind had been you on hire at the moment?
KEMANIE: I used to be $4,000 behind on hire at the time.
MOLLY SOLOMON, HOST: They had been dwelling the place they each grew up in Marin County, simply throughout the Golden Gate Bridge from San Francisco.
KEMANIE: At that time limit there was no manner for us to outlive in Marin County.
MOLLY: It didn’t assist that it’s considered one of the wealthiest counties in the nation. Or that their landlord was planning on promoting the house they had been renting.
They could not determine how they had been going to pay the again hire and nonetheless have cash for a deposit to maneuver someplace new.
KEMANIE: We would have been homeless. You know, it will have been actually unhealthy.
MOLLY: They considered shifting in with considered one of their dad and mom or leaving Marin County altogether. Then, they received some excellent news.
KEMANIE: So we received it, we had been out doing one thing — working an errand — and on the manner again, my spouse received the e-mail.
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ERIN: They received what some have known as a “golden ticket” — a Section 8 housing voucher.
Section 8 is a federal program that helps low-income folks afford hire on the personal market.
Kemanie and his spouse had put of their utility almost a decade in the past. And they’d been caught on a ready record that by no means appeared to budge. When they lastly received the information, it was like successful the lottery.
KEMANIE: We each checked out one another. And was like, sure. I imply, it was like excellent timing.
MOLLY: It was an enormous alternative for them. With Section 8, they might solely must pay 30% of their revenue in direction of hire.
KEMANIE: It was an epiphany for us as a result of it was like, life can go on now, like we — there is a path ahead.
MOLLY: They wouldn’t fall behind on payments. And they’d have an opportunity to catch up. They’d have some room to breathe.
ERIN: So, they began in search of a brand new place to dwell.
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KEMANIE: And we searched and searched and searched, and went and visited and talked to folks, and realizing that we had the housing voucher, we thought it was going to be simpler as a result of it was a assure.
ERIN: A assure as a result of most of the hire cash comes from the federal authorities. It’s normally deposited straight into the landlord’s checking account.
KEMANIE: And we came upon that it was extra of a hindrance than something.
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ERIN: It’s what most Section 8 tenants uncover — the voucher isn’t solely arduous to get, it is arduous to make use of.
MOLLY: These issues aren’t new. And neither is Section 8. But over the previous half century, it is turn out to be the No. 1 manner we subsidize hire on this nation.
As rents climb larger, advocates say we have to repair the issues with Section 8 and increase it. To make it work for extra folks.
I’m Molly Solomon.
ERIN: And I’m Erin Baldassari. From KQED, that is Sold Out: Rethinking Housing in America.
Today, the ultimate chapter in our collection on evictions.
How to maintain folks from getting evicted? Help pay the hire.
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MOLLY: Kemanie and his spouse have had a housing voucher for almost 20 years now. And anytime they’ve needed to transfer, it’s at all times the identical factor.
They apply to dozens of locations, go to a ton of residences and get the identical solutions.
KEMANIE: And each single time it was like, no, nope, no, no.
MOLLY: It didn’t appear to matter that that they had good references from previous landlords, even letters from neighbors.
KEMANIE: As quickly as Section 8 comes up, you see like a glaze go over their eyes like. OK, I received to cope with this dialog and transfer on to the subsequent individual.
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ERIN: Some landlords informed them point-blank they would not settle for Section 8, regardless that that’s unlawful in California and a handful of different states.
Those legal guidelines are arduous to implement, although. And landlords discover all kinds of the way of getting round them — like, requiring a credit score rating of 700 or above.
KEMANIE: You know, it was type of, smile in our face, “Oh, yeah, but your credit score is low.” But the backside line is most individuals are on Section 8 as a result of they’re having points financially and their credit score isn’t superb.
MOLLY: Or, landlords would ask them to have an revenue that’s no less than thrice the hire.
KEMANIE: It’s like, if I make thrice the month-to-month quantity, I’m shopping for my very own place. Period, that’s it.
MOLLY: Other instances there was a web based utility, however no field to examine to say that they had Section 8.
KEMANIE: Right? And you do not even get to speak to anyone and even see anyone or state your case. And it does not say you could have Section 8 on the app, so you’ll be able to’t fill that out.
MOLLY: Usually, although, they only by no means heard again. There was no clarification in any respect.
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ERIN: So, Kemanie and his spouse tried tougher. They wrote cowl letters. And organized all their references and documentation into good, neat little folders.
KEMANIE: We would put a bit of image, a pleasant little cute image of our Black household for folks to just accept and like and perhaps, , really feel sorry for us.
ERIN: It was irritating and demanding. To Kemanie, it felt racist.
KEMANIE: And it actually felt like redlining. Is, that is how I felt about it, as a result of they’re similar to, no, .
MOLLY: Racial discrimination will be arduous to show, however a latest audit discovered it is a pervasive downside.
The Fair Housing Advocates of Northern California carried out paired checks of white and Black renters. And discovered that almost 70% of the time, landlords in the county the place Kemanie lives refused to hire to Black tenants, or used extra delicate behaviors, like leaving somebody on maintain for hours, by no means calling again or steering Black candidates away from sure neighborhoods. More than half the time, landlords did the identical for voucher holders.
ERIN: To Kemanie, this was not information.
He and his spouse had lived their complete lives in Marin County — a group the place greater than 70% of the residents are white, and the place the common family makes over $115,000 a 12 months.
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KEMANIE: It’s arduous to elucidate it to different folks. We’re Black in America.
Every day, particularly additionally for me, being a Black man and being very intimidating to lots of people. Every single day, after I meet any individual, I received to place a smile on my face to love, look, I’m not threatening.
ERIN: Holding a Section 8 voucher in his fingers worsens the day by day pressure of looking for acceptance.
KEMANIE: And it felt like that instances 10, as a result of this time we’re in search of everybody’s approval and it is — we’re attempting to decorate us up as the finest we are able to to get accepted by people who we all know perhaps aren’t racist, however simply aren’t as inclined to need us to be there.
That was very, very, very arduous. And that was, I feel, most likely the most defeating a part of the complete factor for us.
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MOLLY: This discrimination is why we aren’t utilizing Kemanie’s full title. Or his spouse’s title.
The expertise of in search of a spot to dwell has been so traumatic, they’re afraid to do something which may harm their possibilities of discovering a house the subsequent time they’ve to begin wanting. Their struggles with Section 8 spotlight two of the program’s greatest failures.
ERIN: Only 1 in 5 who qualify for rental help truly receives it. Meaning most individuals are caught on waitlists for years — even many years.
And when folks do get off these waitlists, roughly a 3rd lose their vouchers as a result of they will’t discover any landlord prepared to take them.
MOLLY: That’s partly as a result of there’s an unfair stigma round Section 8, even when it isn’t backed up by proof.
Eva Rosen is an assistant professor at Georgetown University, and she or he wrote a ebook on Section 8.
EVA ROSEN: Landlords generally do not need to hire to huge households. They usually fear that voucher-holders is likely to be extra more likely to do harm to the residence or that they is likely to be noisier tenants. And once more, none of that is actually backed up by any type of knowledge, however the stigma itself may be very actual.
ERIN: This unfair stigma is made worse if you add in racism — the variety that Kemanie and his household felt.
Nationally, about two-thirds of voucher holders are folks of shade.
EVA: In my analysis with landlords, they are saying issues like, effectively, I could not hire to a Black individual on this neighborhood as a result of all of my different tenants are white and they’d not like that.
I feel racism is an enormous a part of the reticence that we see from landlords.
MOLLY: Despite all these obstacles, Kemanie and his household had been capable of finding a spot to dwell. They’ve been at their present residence for 3 and a half years now.
And in the world of Section 8, it’s type of a unicorn. It’s a single-family residence on a quiet cul-de-sac in Novato, a rich suburb north of San Francisco.
KEMANIE: This is actually every little thing we may ask for. This is — we’re so extremely completely satisfied right here proper now in the place that we have now.
ERIN: It’s received three bedrooms, a two-car storage, and an enormous, tree-lined yard.
There are parks close by and nice colleges for his or her youngsters. And, they really feel protected right here.
KEMANIE: Safety at college, security coming residence from college, , security on the weekends, taking part in with their mates, , all of that.
ERIN: Only 14% of voucher holders dwell in prosperous neighborhoods like this.
Kemanie and his spouse know simply how uncommon it’s.
KEMANIE: It’s like we’re dwelling in a dream that we all know are about to get up from. We know sooner or later somebody’s going to shake us and be like, ‘Hey, get up.’
MOLLY: That wake-up name may are available just some months.
Their landlord informed them they’re excited about promoting. And their present lease lasts solely till September. After that, there aren’t any ensures.
KEMANIE: It’s all up in the air. Everything’s very unsettled for us.
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ERIN: When that point comes, they’ll have to search out one other landlord prepared to take them. They know from expertise it gained’t be straightforward.
To make the system higher for tenants, we have to get extra landlords on board.
We’ll let you know how, arising.
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ERIN: When the Pruitt-Igoe public housing growth in St. Louis, Missouri, opened in 1954, it was celebrated as a marvel of recent structure: 33 towers, every 11 tales tall.
COMMERCIAL FOR PRUITT-IGOE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT: With indoor plumbing, electrical lights, recent plastered partitions and the remainder of the conveniences which can be anticipated in the twentieth century.
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ERIN: But only a decade later, it was falling aside and had turn out to be an emblem of presidency mismanagement and neglect, drawing nationwide consideration for its horrible dwelling circumstances.
Take this newscast, from 1968:
KMOX NEWS REPORT: When the temperatures dropped under freezing this week, water strains in a number of of the Pruitt-Igoe house buildings broke and the subsequent circulate of water changed into ice. At 2311 Dixon, a sewer line is damaged, and now uncooked sewage bubbles out of the floor like a malevolent spring.
ERIN: On March 16, 1972, the first of its 33 towers was demolished.
(Sounds: A constructing is being demolished; Pruitt-Igoe implodes.)
PRUITT IGOE IMPLOSION: Not solely St. Louis, however the remainder of the nation is viewing with nice curiosity the outcomes of this experiment.
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MOLLY: President Richard Nixon noticed the rising frustration with public housing failures like Pruitt-Igoe. And so he took a flip in direction of the personal market as an alternative.
Two years after that demolition, Nixon launched Section 8. Again, right here’s Georgetown University professor Eva Rosen.
EVA: You’re not having to construct public housing, you are not having to take care of or renovate a public housing inventory. And so it’s this type of very, in principle, economically environment friendly instrument.
ERIN: Under Nixon, Section 8 was only a pilot program.
But by the Nineties, the stage was set for it to develop. Public housing had gotten an actual unhealthy rap, and that’s when President Bill Clinton actually ramped up Section 8.
PRESIDENT BILL CLINTON: Today I had the honor of signing the funds for packages to assist the homeless to provide housing vouchers to empower the poor.
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MOLLY: His administration modified the title from Section 8 to Housing Choice Vouchers.
EVA: And truly in the title, you’ll be able to very a lot discover this emphasis on selection.
MOLLY: Eva says that displays considered one of the objectives for the program.
The hope was that folks may use their vouchers to maneuver to extra prosperous neighborhoods. Neighborhoods with extra sources, higher colleges and extra jobs.
ERIN: Public housing had turn out to be extraordinarily segregated.
By 1989, almost 70% of the households of the residents had been folks of shade. Mostly women-led, Black and Latinx households.
And most of the housing developments had been additionally in segregated and impoverished neighborhoods.
EVA: And that was inflicting every kind of issues. And it was leaving public housing residents with little or no selection about the place they ended up.
ERIN: But Eva says the program hasn’t lived as much as its promise of giving voucher holders an actual selection of the place to dwell. And numerous that comes right down to landlords: when they select to take part, and why.
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EVA: When we launched these personal landlords into this method, we type of simply assumed that they might play alongside, that they might need to take part. And that tends not at all times to be the case.
MOLLY: For some landlords, Section 8 works very well.
Eugene Zinchik and his brother personal an actual property and property administration firm in San Francisco. And he’s been renting to voucher holders for about six or seven years now.
EUGENE ZINCHIK: There’s extra stability in realizing that your hire checks are going to be coming, , no matter it’s that occurs.
MOLLY: During the pandemic, most of Eugene’s Section 8 tenants stayed put, and their hire checks stored flowing in. But numerous his tenants who didn’t have vouchers — they left.
Even with out the coronavirus, Eugene says voucher holders simply stick round longer.
EUGENE: There’s much less turnover for a landlord. If there’s much less turnover, there is not any hire that they are dropping.
ERIN: But Eugene says the actual profit to landlords relies upon loads on the place the property is.
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He factors to a brand new constructing he is managing in San Francisco’s Bayview neighborhood. Even although he hasn’t discovered a tenant but, Eugene already is aware of it’ll be somebody on Section 8.
EUGENE: Part of San Francisco is extraordinarily, extraordinarily costly. Bayview remains to be semi-affordable for perhaps, nonetheless for a blue-collar household.
ERIN: He says rents listed here are about $1,000 decrease than in different elements of the metropolis.
But landlords can truly cost a Section 8 extra than they might with somebody and not using a voucher.
MOLLY: That’s as a result of when the authorities decides how a lot it’s prepared to pay for every voucher, it doesn’t range the quantities by neighborhood. It units one commonplace for the complete metropolis.
So it’s a fairly whole lot for landlords in locations like Bayview.
EUGENE: So in Bayview, in my expertise, the quantities that Section 8 pays are just about aggressive.
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But landlords in high-rent locations may truly lose cash.
EUGENE: In no less than half the neighborhoods in San Francisco, Section 8 what they pay per unit is simply not appropriate with the market hire.
ERIN: Eva says these incentives have created an unintended consequence: Most Section 8 tenants are trapped in low-income neighborhoods.
EVA: And that is the place you begin to perceive how the program, which was designed and really a lot hoped to offer tenants selection, truly creates type of an reverse situation the place they’re being pushed away from the type of neighborhoods that they may need to find yourself in and compelled into neighborhoods that they do not essentially need to be in.
ERIN: Eugene says even when landlords need to hire to a voucher holder, it’s not that straightforward. You have to leap by numerous hoops. What type of hoops? Well, let’s have a look.
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MOLLY: First, there are the kinds. For each tenants and landlords.
EUGENE: You know, kinds might be scary if you happen to’ve by no means seen this manner earlier than.
ERIN: Let’s say you do fill them out appropriately.
EUGENE: For about two weeks, you most likely hear nothing.
MOLLY: Then, hopefully, you get a name for an inspection. The housing authority wants to verify these buildings are as much as code. For that, you’ll must take the break day work.
EUGENE: A variety of instances you get a four-hour window for the inspector to come back in.
ERIN: And if in case you have any questions, don’t attempt to get anybody on the telephone.
EUGENE: Just speaking to any individual, you would be ready on maintain for an hour.
MOLLY: Eugene says it’s like coping with the DMV.
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EUGENE: You know, we have all been there, however , we do not actually need to do this except we have now to.
MOLLY: The federal Department of Housing and Urban Development held listening classes with property homeowners throughout the nation again in 2018.
Most of the classes had been taken up by complaints. Eighty-two p.c stated that they had unhealthy experiences coping with their native housing authority.
ERIN: One of their greatest points: how lengthy it takes to enroll a brand new tenant.
The complete course of can take a month or two — time spent with out gathering hire.
EUGENE: For a landlord to simply sit and watch for that tenant isn’t, isn’t cheap, particularly if it is a person like a mom-and-pop sort of store.
MOLLY: So how can we enhance Section 8?
For tenants to have extra selection — , the unique aim of the program — you want extra landlords with properties in additional neighborhoods. Here’s Eva Rosen:
EVA: When we take into consideration landlord participation, I feel we’d like to consider carrots and sticks.
MOLLY: That means more durable legal guidelines to stop landlords from discriminating towards Section 8 tenants. And higher enforcement.
EVA: That’s type of like a stick, proper? It’s a slap on the wrist. It’s a no, you are not allowed to do that.
ERIN: And, then there’s the carrot: extra voucher cash for properties in wealthier neighborhoods.
It’s one thing the federal authorities is already attempting. They’re basing the hire on the ZIP code, as an alternative of 1 commonplace for the complete metropolis.
EVA: Because there is not any manner a landlord goes to take part in the program in the event that they’re getting much less hire than they might get from a market tenant, proper?
MOLLY: An early check of the program confirmed it labored. More landlords in prosperous areas opened their doorways to Section 8.
But in a couple of cities, there was a draw back, too. Some landlords in low-income neighborhoods stopped renting to voucher holders. That led to a drop in the variety of houses accessible there.
Still, the outcomes had been nonetheless promising sufficient that they’ve expanded it to two dozen cities throughout the nation.
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ERIN: Another strategy to recruit extra landlords? Cut the pink tape.
EUGENE: Give these people which have the voucher extra say of what they’re capable of do. Give the energy to that particular person to signal on their very own behalf to take the place or not take the place.
ERIN: After all, Section 8 was presupposed to be about selection. So, Eugene says, let folks make their very own.
Coming up: A special answer, that is all about selection. And chilly, arduous money.
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MOLLY: When the coronavirus hit — and the economic system shut down — one factor was clear: People wanted money.
And the federal authorities stepped in.
WCNC: Stimulus checks are rolling in for tens of millions of Americans right this moment. About 80 million persons are anticipated to obtain their funds right this moment.
NBC: Well, these direct funds are what everyone seems to be speaking about as a result of 90% of American households must be getting some cash.
ERIN: Before the pandemic, the concept of giving out free cash on this nation was type of a tough promote.
Natalie Foster is the president and co-founder of the Economic Security Project.
NATALIE FOSTER: Then the pandemic hit and it turned clear that money was the foreign money of urgency.
ERIN: And it wasn’t simply stimulus checks.
NATALIE: Pandemic unemployment insurance coverage was necessary for supporting folks in the midst of job loss, increasing tax credit like the earned revenue tax credit score and the baby tax credit score.
These had been all issues that the authorities did.
MOLLY: For numerous households, that more money was a lifeline. Despite a recession and a world pandemic, poverty on this nation truly decreased.
NATALIE: We noticed a lower in poverty, and that’s as a result of the authorities realized that poverty is a coverage selection and we may make completely different decisions. And so the politics of the second allowed for us to make a distinct selection.
ERIN: We additionally made a option to hold extra folks housed: with eviction moratoriums and hire reduction.
For progressives and others, these pandemic-era packages had been a golden alternative to sort out poverty and housing insecurity on a grand scale. And check an concept that’s been gaining steam over the previous couple years.
NEWS CLIPS: It’s an concept often known as assured fundamental revenue.
A month-to-month, no-strings-attached money cost given on to people.
MOLLY: A assured revenue.
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MOLLY: Basically, if you wish to remedy poverty, give folks cash.
Here’s how it will work: The cash would come from the federal authorities, ideally in the type of an everyday, month-to-month cost.
The quantity wouldn’t make you wealthy, however it may assist pay in your housing, your meals or no matter else you want.
ERIN: For all the pleasure round assured revenue right this moment, it’s not truly a brand new concept.
Thomas Paine argued for it manner again in the 18th century. And over the years, its supporters have come from throughout the political spectrum.
From the Black Panthers, to President Richard Nixon.
(Sounds: a recording of President Richard Nixon discussing assured revenue.)
NIXON: What I’m proposing is that the federal authorities construct a basis below the revenue of each American household with dependent youngsters that can’t look after itself.
From libertarian economist Milton Friedman to civil rights chief Martin Luther King Jr.
It appears to me that the civil rights motion should now start to arrange for the assured annual revenue, start to arrange folks throughout our nation and mobilize forces, in order that we are able to convey to the consideration of our nation, this want and this one thing which I consider will go an extended, good distance towards coping with the Negros’ financial downside and the financial downside with many different poor folks confronting our nation.
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MOLLY: Alaska’s been doing this since the Nineteen Eighties, paying out oil dividends to all its residents — on common, about $1,600 a 12 months.
But extra just lately, about 90 guaranteed-income experiments have popped up throughout the nation. Most had been impressed by one metropolis: Stockton, California.
MICHAEL TUBBS: Hello, my title is Michael Tubbs. I’m the former mayor of the metropolis of Stockton, California. I’m the founding father of Mayors for a Guaranteed Income and of End Poverty in California.
ERIN: Michael led Stockton’s guaranteed-income program again in 2019. He says numerous the points that got here throughout his desk all got here again to the identical factor.
MICHAEL: Issues of poverty and lack and pervasive poverty and generational poverty.
ERIN: Stockton was the foreclosures capital of the nation throughout the Great Recession. It declared chapter in 2012. And right this moment, a few quarter of its inhabitants lives under the poverty line.
Michael needed to convey a assured revenue to Stockton as a result of the outdated manner of addressing poverty wasn’t working.
The packages we have now now — like welfare or meals stamps or housing vouchers — they’ve numerous guidelines and laws.
MICHAEL: When you are on welfare, you need to spend a lot time being with case managers, filling out kinds, doing this, doing that, which robs you of the skill to do all the different issues it’s good to do.
MOLLY: Guaranteed-income packages don’t require all that micromanagement, which frees up folks’s time.
And, they’ve one other profit: You can spend the cash nevertheless you want.
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MICHAEL: Whether it is on new tires, a transmission, a brand new washer and dryer, college garments, a marriage, going to go to your dad and mom you have not seen shortly.
MOLLY: When folks in Stockton got the selection of the right way to use the $500 they received every month, they tended to spend it on meals and different necessities.
Some additionally used it to assist pay for housing.
MICHAEL: They had been capable of type of save up for a down cost to maneuver to safer dwelling circumstances. Or some folks use it to deal with type of small rises in hire that happen: $50 right here or $100 right here, $125 right here.
ERIN: Researchers in Stockton didn’t look particularly at the influence of a assured revenue on evictions. But the small stipend may assist.
Most folks get evicted for $600 or much less, in keeping with a New York Times evaluation.
Just realizing you come up with the money for to get to the finish of the month additionally goes a good distance in your psychological well being.
MICHAEL: Folks who acquired the assured revenue went from elevated ranges of stress to common ranges of stress. And that simply was like, wow, like cash actually type of impacts well being and psychological well being and well-being and the way we present up in the world.
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MOLLY: But most likely considered one of the greatest findings from Stockton: It challenged a broadly held criticism of assured revenue, that it will trigger folks to cease working.
The cash truly had the reverse impact. People labored extra.
About 12% went from part-time to full-time work. That’s greater than double the management group. And individuals had been much less more likely to be unemployed.
MICHAEL: And, I wasn’t stunned, however I’m glad the knowledge validated this perception that that $500 was not going to make anybody cease working, that folks nonetheless labored.
ERIN: Michael says that’s as a result of it wasn’t sufficient to dwell on. But it gave folks some respiratory room. It allowed them to stop considered one of their part-time jobs and search for full-time work.
Or return to high school to vary careers.
MICHAEL: It allowed folks the probability to dwell. And dwell a life and dwell a life past simply going by the motions and dealing and going to sleep and dealing, going to sleep.
ERIN: Still, critics say you shouldn’t draw too many conclusions from one small pilot program — with solely 125 individuals.
Rolling out a assured revenue nationally may have a a lot larger influence on the economic system. And many fear that every one that additional money would solely trigger costs to rise, setting off larger inflation.
MOLLY: Guaranteed revenue additionally does nothing to unravel a bigger downside.
The factor we spend the most cash on is housing. And that simply retains going up. Taking a larger and larger piece out of our paychecks.
MICHAEL: Guaranteed revenue is nice, however we do not need all that cash to be spent on housing as a result of folks produce other wants, proper? So I feel a assured revenue is a robust instrument. But like every toolbox, you want a couple of instrument to essentially get the job executed.
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MOLLY: Guaranteed revenue can’t remedy poverty by itself. But Michael says it’s an excellent place to begin if we need to remedy different huge issues, like evictions.
Evictions perpetuate inequality, and they push extra folks into poverty.
ERIN: When you’re evicted, you lose your neighborhood, your college, your assist community. You will be trapped in a cycle of debt, even turn out to be homeless.
But the options are inside our attain, and persons are already pushing for them.
MOLLY: Activists in Fresno are preventing for a good shot in court docket.
Tenants in Antioch are demanding extra safety towards rising rents.
And ladies like Jean [Kendrick, from Episode 2] are sharing their tales and calling consideration to inequities we are able to’t unsee.
ERIN: Evictions replicate our housing system: who reaps the revenue and who suffers the ache.
But we have now a possibility to make the system extra truthful, to put money into folks’s success, not only for a couple of, however for all.
The query is, will we take it? I’m Erin Baldassari.
MOLLY: And I’m Molly Solomon. Thank you a lot for listening to Sold Out: Rethinking Housing in America.
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ERIN: We’ve received another factor that we’re engaged on. It’s a bonus episode stuffed with tales from you. That’ll drop in a couple of weeks, so keep tuned.
Sold Out is a manufacturing of KQED. This episode was written and reported by us: Molly Solomon and Erin Baldassari.
MOLLY: Adhiti Bandlamudi produced this episode. Kyana Moghadam is our senior producer. Brendan Willard is our sound engineer. And Rob Speight wrote our theme track.
Natalia Aldana is our senior engagement producer and Gerald Fermin is our engagement intern.
ERIN: Thank you to our editor, Erika Kelly. Additional enhancing from Jessica Placzek and Otis Taylor Jr.
We couldn’t have made this season with out Ethan Toven-Lindsey, Holly Kernan, Erika Aguilar and Vinnee Tong.
Thank you for listening!
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